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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 06:00pm Jun 7, 2001 EST (#4560
of 4585) lunarchick@www.com
Just as a point of interest re USA tax relief, i noted that the
people who were 'too poor' to pay tax got no relief. Those on the
bread line might have got $300 ... what i was wondering is ... 'how
big were the cheques that went back to the 'super rich' ... one of
those might have equalled the current allocation given to LAOS to
help clear USA land mines ...
cantabb
- 06:14pm Jun 7, 2001 EST (#4561
of 4585)
lunarchick
6/7/01 5:54pm
Wars end, sooner or later. But, in reality, do they ever ...
james22h
- 06:16pm Jun 7, 2001 EST (#4562
of 4585)
How does russia feel about this?
rshowalter
- 06:19pm Jun 7, 2001 EST (#4563
of 4585) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
As a nation, the US needs a sense of mercy and sympathy that we
lack -- and needs a concern for world survival that we seem to lack,
as well.
* * * *
The world could end. We ought to see to it that it doesn't, even
at the cost of some effort and embarrassment.
I set out my sense of risk, and my reasons for acting, in rshowalter
"Science News Poetry" 3/1/01 2:07pm
In September, I thought that there was maybe a 10% chance of the
world blowing up per year , with messes as they were, including
human misunderstandings, and technical screwups.
Maybe I'd slipped a decimal point.
But maybe not . . .
Lets see --- six billion people .... a "statistical expected
value" of a hundred Jewish holocausts, per year or one point six
million "expected deaths" per day.
A tenth of that, or a hundredth of that -- is still a wrenchingly
large risk.
The greatest single threat to our survival, as Bob
Kerrey said.
I summarized reasons for my concern in MD826:rshowalter
3/4/01 1:04pm just before almarst appeared on the scene.
Since that time, discussion have given me every reason to think I
was right to be concerned. And that I had a reasonable sense
of the risk . ..
the probability that, without more wisdom,
the world was going to end, one ugly way or another.
There are some huge, scary differences in world view between
Americans and Russians - and at some absolutely fundamental levels
-- we do not understand each other.
I believe that both sides understand each other better -- and are
closer to enough focus to make peace possible, because of the
discourse here, and the fact that some able people have been looking
at it.
Reviewing the text of these threads gives some pretty solid
reasons to think so.
It seems to me quite rational for people to look at the things
that have been done, and believed, and argued, referenced here - - -
and to be afraid.
Afraid for themselves, and for everyone else they care about, and
everthing they care about.
It seems to me that we have to communicate and check better than
we now do. It also seems to me that we can.
rshowalter
- 06:27pm Jun 7, 2001 EST (#4564
of 4585) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
It would sure help if there was better checking in
American journalism, and in Russian and Chinese journalism, too.
And it would help if people got a sense of how important right
answers actually are when you have to use them to make
decisions.
The world is impoverished, much much uglier than it needs to be,
and may end -- mostly because - in many big and little ways
-- too few people and institutions tell the truth, or expect it.
rshowalter
- 06:31pm Jun 7, 2001 EST (#4565
of 4585) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
It also seems to me that the U.S. ought to clean up its
messes -- including minefields and other horrors of American
wars - - and paralyzing results of psychological warfare, in Russia
and other places.
If the truth wasn't so often avoided - - that sort of response
might be likely to follow -- if not because of American decency,
because of organized insistence from the rest of the world.
lunarchick
- 06:38pm Jun 7, 2001 EST (#4566
of 4585) lunarchick@www.com
Decimal point - skid-slippery - move it one way gives 1/100, move
it the other .... 100% dead cert ... right and left can be important
in politics :)
lunarchick
- 06:45pm Jun 7, 2001 EST (#4567
of 4585) lunarchick@www.com
On when do wars end ... the answer has to be :
when the last person who was affected directly or
indirectly leaving them hurt or injured .. in body or mind ... has
faded away fading can take a long time .. note the
victims of the African Slave Trade still suffer 'identity' crisis to
the point of under achievement Will the infusion of latinos
moderate and de-polorise the problem?
fading must mean acceptance, closure, and development of an
inclusive identity ... an example ... will Palestine and Israel ever
embrace?
lunarchick
- 06:47pm Jun 7, 2001 EST (#4568
of 4585) lunarchick@www.com
Ariel bombing of Palestine must end! How terrifying!
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