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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 01:48pm Jun 6, 2001 EST (#4532
of 4533) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
lunarchick
6/6/01 1:02am
" ... take a look at an historical time line ..
looking for the good things .. and you'll see how far forward the
world has come."
Dawn's right. And I feel that this thread, because of very hard
work, and much good faith, under ambivalent motivations from many
quarters, has taken steps forward. Some painful, but many hopeful
too.
But you can also say
" ... take a look at an historical time line ..
looking for the bad things .. and you'll see, again and again,
monotonously, wrenchingly, how reasonable hopes have been dashed,
how people have done badly by themselves and each other -- how
horror and loss and injustice that should have been avoided
happened. Again and again, you'll see how accomodations that
should have been constructable were not, and how forces of
ugliness and evil have triumphed, in many places, and for long
times - producing more horror and pain than any human mind can
begin to comprehend. "
This thread has been a response to that, too.
We need to find ways to get more of the good of which man is
capable, and get more wisdom, and better accomodations, so that we
can more often avoid the bad. There are ways to do it.
Some of the techniques evolving on this thread offer some hope in
that direction -- this thread is an attempt at something new -- a
format for workable, traceable, checkable communication and
negotiation between staffed organizations, with openness, and
more effective memory and accomodation of complexity that was
possible before.
There are many horrors. But there is some common ground, and
there are some common goods. The good things that Putin hopes for,
and the good things that Bush hopes for, even with all the
differences, have much common ground, as well. And those good
things, in the complex world that permits so much more than the
over-simple models we have in our heads - ought to be, and logically
can be compatible and not contradictory -- with
careful accomodation - and some toughness and honesty sensibly
applied by the many capable people, capable of honor, who are
involved.
rshowalter
- 02:22pm Jun 6, 2001 EST (#4533
of 4533) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I thought Missile Shield Realities http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/04/opinion/04MON1.html
was beautiful and constructive. The piece proposes reasonable
accomodations, and credit is given where credit is due.
"The Bush administration seems to recognize that
an agreement with Russia on missile defenses would help dispel
European and Congressional misgivings. In recent weeks, Washington
has made constructive proposals for cooperation with Moscow on
related issues like early-warning radar and tactical missile
defenses. But the administration has not yet addressed Russia's
core concerns.
"There is ample time to pursue further diplomacy
with Moscow before any defensive system is built. Carl Levin, the
Michigan Democrat who is soon to become chairman of the Senate
Armed Services Committee, has rightly stated that whatever
technology the Pentagon decides on must be thoroughly tested and
shown to be reliable before funds are appropriated for
construction. But some increased financing would be justified over
the next few years for expanded research and testing. . . .
" That would allow the Pentagon to explore sea-
based systems designed to shoot down missiles soon after they are
launched, as well as refining the land- based approach pursued by
the Clinton administration that is designed to intercept enemy
warheads in mid-flight. Both technologies hold some promise of
successful development. But neither is yet far enough advanced to
justify construction of a system within the next several years, a
step that would breach the ABM treaty. Space-based interceptors
are a bad idea. As the country most dependent on satellites for
reconnaisance and communications, America has the most to lose if
space becomes a potential battlefield. . . . .
" The time needed for further testing and research
should be used to try to negotiate a deal with Moscow. The
administration also ought to consult further with its NATO allies
and begin serious discussions with China. . .
" A narrowly targeted, technologically reliable
missile defense is desirable and may be possible to develop. To
produce such a system, the Bush administration must set aside its
exaggerated expectations and commit itself to a program of careful
testing and patient diplomacy.
Great stuff. Compatible with the interests of all concerned, as
far as it goes. Respectful of fact. If we could proceed in that way
-- we'd be moving in the direction of real peace.
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