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limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
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rshowalter
- 07:57pm Jun 4, 2001 EST (#4498
of 4500) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
For sheer tragedy, I'm more concerned with a bombing decision at
the beginning or WWII than the bombing decisions right at the end of
it. The issue is described, following C.P. Snow, in #84-85 of
Paradigm Shift - whose getting there? ---- http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee7726f/105
" Another tragedy-farce-crime, involving science in a
classified government discussion, has psychological similarities,
and is described in detail by C.P. Snow in Chapters 8, 0 of SCIENCE
AND GOVERNMENT . That tragedy, again, would have been prevented if a
sensible means of umpiring had been in place. Such umpiring, had it
existed, might have shortened the "Hitler war" by a year or more,
and saved millions of lives.
" In 1942, Britain made the decision to commit all the
manufacturing and manpower resources it could to area bombing,
directed to hitting the houses of working-class Germans. (Military
targets were not targeted, except in propaganda, because they were
too hard to find and hit. The decision was in large part the idea of
F.A. Lindemann, Churchill's scientific advisor, who circulated a
paper that was accepted as truth. The paper claimed that
" given a total concentration on production and
use of bombing aircraft - it would be possible, in all the larger
towns of German (that is, those with more than 50,000 inhabitants)
to destroy 50% of all houses."
"Distribution of the paper went to ministers, and a very few
scientists, including Tizard and Blackett, the
scientist-administrators most responsible for radar.
Snow goes on:
" The paper went to Tizard. He studied the
statistics. He came to the conclusion, quite impregnibly, that
Lindemann's estimate of the number of houses that could possibly
be destroyed was five times too high." ....."Independently,
Blackett came to the conclusion, also quite impregnibly, that
Lindemann's estimate was six times too high."
"The bombing survey after the war showed that Lindemann's
estimate was ten times too high. The actual effort in manpower and
resources that was expended on bombing German was greater than the
value in manpower of the damage caused. The loss of high-quality
manpower squandered will never be recoverable. The military
effectiveness of Great Britain was far less than it could otherwise
been.
"Great Britain never would have spent its resources and blood
in the way it did, if it had understood the mistake that had been
made.
rshowalter
- 07:57pm Jun 4, 2001 EST (#4499
of 4500) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
The mistake was made because of a scenario not unlike those of
"paradigm conflict". Here is Snow:
" I have used the phrase "closed politics"
before. I mean any kind of politics in which there is no appeal to
a larger assembly - larger assembly in the sense of a group
opinion, or an electorate, or on an even bigger scale what we
loosely call "social forces." .......... "In my type specimin (the
bombing decision) during the whole of his conflicts with
Lindemann, Tizard had no larger body of support to call on. If he
had been able to submit the bombing controversy to the Fellows of
the Royal Society, or the general population of professional
scientists, Lindemann would not have lasted a week."
"For reasons of personal politics, Tizard and Blackett were
ignored, and they could not (or at least, did not) get to other
competent people who could judge the matter. To an extent amazing
under the circumstances, they were marginalized, called crazy, and
shunned. After reading Kuhn, one might be less surprised.
Here is Snow:
" I do not think that, in secret politics, I
have ever seen a minority view so unpopular. I sometimes used to
wonder whether my administrative colleagues ......... would have
acquiesced in this one, as on the whole they did, if they had had
even an elementary knowledge of statistics." ........ "The Air
Ministry fell in behind the Lindemann paper. The minority view was
not only defeated but squashed. The atmosphere was more hysterical
than usual in English official life; it had the faint but just
perceptible smell of a witch hunt. ..... Strategic bombing,
according to the Lindemann policy, was put into action with every
effort the country could make."
Kuhn describes all scientific groups as examples of "closed
politics."
The key issue is that when there was credible reason to doubt
a "established" decision, checking was denied.
** I've heard people I trust guess that the mistake cost about
an extra year of fighting in World War II. That seems right to me.
Thinking of Jewish losses, and Allied losses, and even German
losses, the costs incurred because checking was denied, on a
big-scale matter of life and death, makes one want to turn one's
head away.
Or ask for checking, as a right in both the moral and the
operational sense.
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