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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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gisterme
- 08:02pm Jun 1, 2001 EST (#4460
of 4466)
jimmcd53 wrote: "...If no government will host him, and he has
very few followers left, and those he has include at least one who
will sell him out for fear of what might happen next, he becomes a
good deal more vulnerable, doesn't he?
He does, Jim; but, there are a lot of "ifs" and "ands" there.
What would we have to do to the Taliban/Afghanistan to make them
quit hosting ben Ladin?
The damage to US interests is caused more by the necessary
bludgening approach and corresponding collateral damage needed to
make a "government" expel a terrorist than by the initial terrorist
attack itself.
A US response like that is a polarizing force that aligns public
sentiment in that place with the terrorist; not so much because
folks are sympathetic with the terrorist cause, but because they are
missing loved ones due to US bombs. The terrorist says "See? I told
you so...". Keep in mind that where personal hatred is concerned,
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend.".
That's how terrorist organizations are using assymetric strategy
to garner popular support where they want it. So far all the power
of the US miliary, CIA and diplomatic corps has been laughably
ineffective at preventing that. They keep setting us up to shoot
ourselves in the foot and we just keep pulling the trigger.
Let's hope the new president is a little smarter than the last. I
have no doubt that the new Secretary of State is smarter than the
last one. :-)
rshowalt
- 08:20pm Jun 1, 2001 EST (#4461
of 4466)
jimmcd53
6/1/01 7:49pm ...... Some we can. Most people, all over the
world, have a lot of reasons to want to be at peace with the
United States - and we should reinforce those reasons, and do away
with reasons people hate us, when we can.
After the US worked at that a while, we might find ourselves
getting good at it.
****
We'd be able to hit more effectively, when we had to -- and we'd
need to do it less often -- if we had more allies, and if more
people, all over the world, felt that any such actions we took were,
on balance justified.
One thing that would take would be a willingness for the US to
stand up to the same laws as apply to other countries.
I made a proposal in MD266:rshowalt
9/25/00 7:32am ... MD267: rshowalt
9/25/00 7:33am MD268 rshowalt
9/25/00 7:33am .... MD269: rshowalt
9/25/00 7:36am
MD268 included this:
" For effective elimination of nuclear weapons,
and to establish conditions so that they stay eliminated, I
believe that artists and other people must make it memorably clear
how bad nuclear weapons are, so that no one wants to make them
again. So that no one condones their use again. If people remember
this, anyone trying to make a nuclear weapon is overwhelmingly
likely to be caught and punished. It should be the tradition that
the property rights and moral rights of anyone making nuclear
weapons should be dismissed, and any and all force mobilized to
prevent the building of nuclear weapons or their use. "
If that dream could be fulfilled, it would provide better
protection for cities all over the world than any anti-missile
missile could.
Not that I'm necessarily against belt-and-suspenders approaches,
if the means involved hold up what they are supposed to hold up, at
a price that makes sense under the circumstances.
gisterme
- 08:21pm Jun 1, 2001 EST (#4462
of 4466)
jimmcd53 wrote: "...At the other end of the spectrum, though,
there are things we can do to shrink their recruiting pool, not by
violence but by winning friends and influencing people..."
That's true, Jim, but so far that's not the approach we've taken.
If it's the military's job to kill terrorsits, they've got to find a
way to do it without killing innocents.
Personally, I don't believe that all the "terrorist
organizations" are as independent as some think. I think they have a
common goal of creating an Arab "Califate", coagulated from the many
existing Arab nations. Terrorism is principal tool that's being used
to create hatred of America and Americans in every one of those
places. By providing two common causes, hartred of Americans and
Islam, I believe their hope is to overcome nationalism by rallying
Arabs to those "common" causes to give birth to a new greater Arab
nation.
While I don't really care what the Arabs do about merging their
nations to form a new and bigger one (that's their business), I'm
frightened by the fact that if that happens, that nation's leaders
will be the present terrorist leaders.
gisterme
- 08:27pm Jun 1, 2001 EST (#4463
of 4466)
Out for today...
rshowalt
- 08:36pm Jun 1, 2001 EST (#4464
of 4466)
me, too. Good days work.
rlgardner01
- 10:41pm Jun 1, 2001 EST (#4465
of 4466)
I just want to say a hearty thank-you to Sen Levin for his
comments on missle defense. THANK YOU for finally being someone in
charge up there who actually has some sense about this program and
who actually seems well, sane. For being someone who doesn't sound
like some raving lunatic about this absurd nonsense. Thank youm
thank you, thank you.
possumdag
- 11:47pm Jun 1, 2001 EST (#4466
of 4466) Possumdag@excite.com
Everything is a matter of opinion including working for
negotiated peace. On carnage, a youth denied a princess, a boy
denied a future .... made world headlines by killing others.
Suggesting death is a fantacy of an immature male mind - mostly!?!
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