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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 04:39pm May 25, 2001 EST (#4203
of 4213) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I'm trying to give a balanced response.
It will take me a while longer, to get comfortable -- but I can
say this -- almarst has expressed some very clear concerns,
and ones that seem entirely justified, on the basis of wrenching
experience.
Given the way that the US and NATO conducted "peace talks" under
circumstances where the the talks were not any effort at peace at
all-but instruments of war, including much deception, you have to
expect that the Russians fear that the US may do anything that the
US is physically capable of doing to Russia, with no
presumption of good faith on the part of the US at all. Only
deterrance makes sense, for a while, as a beginning position for
Russia.
Not necessarily nuclear deterrance, I don't believe. But plainly
sufficient deterrance.
The case of Yugoslavia, which seems to have involved some gross
deception as well, reinforces the concern.
The key thing, for me, is that the US has not been willing to let
matters be arranged so that key facts can be determined.
Yes, in a sense, "the age of empire" is over. But, based on
current actions - and recent expressions of contempt, and very
recent ignorings of contractual committments and expectations - -you
can't expect the US to be taken at its "benevelent word." --
Because, too often, it has not kept its word. Deception, in the Cold
War, was serious indeed. The inhumanity of American actions, if any
value be placed on nonAmerican lives, was serious indeed.
The US welcoming of Nazis speaks volumes, in my opinion, about
what US military and governmental morality has really been.
And it is not at all clear that very many American citizens would
have agreed to what was done. They surely did not know it.
The key issues, now, the place where hope mostly is, involve not
negotiation of agreements themselves -- that must come later -- it
is getting some basic facts straigt - in ways that need to be
operationally, or morally forcing -- so that negotiations can occur
with "everybody reading off the same page" -- and that page correct,
as far as the basic facts go.
And that looks doable. That's promising.
possumdag
- 04:58pm May 25, 2001 EST (#4204
of 4213) Possumdag@excite.com
How long does it take for 'facts' and 'truth' to emerge through
an historians take on history. Retrospectively some wars and battles
are clear. Others are clouded.
A question to consider is 'has everything been thrown into the
ring for consideration?' or are some matters hidden and only much
later exposed.
The reality for the people of Yugoslavia is (as posted way above)
they really did not know what was overtaking them, happening, or
why. The chaos of economic breakdown factored in there somewhere,
together with the redundant thinking of old patterns that had to be
moved along for new.
Perhaps patterns of emergent 'war' need to be worked out, and the
fixing done and understood without bombs and carnage.
rshowalter
- 05:03pm May 25, 2001 EST (#4205
of 4213) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Yes !
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And a recounting of history counts for that.
When talk breaks down, the usual justification given is a
breakdown on the basis of questions of fact. When facts are agreed
to, people usually find that they can continue talking, and that
they are expected to find accomodations.
rshowalter
- 05:06pm May 25, 2001 EST (#4206
of 4213) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Historians are also, commonly, not only very slow, but also
likely to be biased in their own way, both by their philosophy, and
by the research materials they happen to have. With the internet
resources, and the many multiple views that can be set side by side,
focusing to consistency can be much faster -- and considerably surer
-- so that things can work better.
In history, it is rare indeed to find two opposing sides who are
willing to agree about what the cause of the war was. If
facts are in common, accomodations are very often possible -- even
between bitter enemies.
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