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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
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possumdag
- 09:12pm May 21, 2001 EST (#4125
of 4133) Possumdag@excite.com
Here are questions :
Does America really have a sense of Identity?
Do Russians have a sense of Identity?
In war-time situations do nations have a sense of Identity or is
it a conjoured sense?
The reason i put this is because groups are seen to fail, even in
a good environment, when they don't have a sense of who they are and
what they are about.
On a personal and group level when people don't have Identity
they are too troubled, resentful, and seemingly undervalued by
others, to develop purpose and achievement.
Looking at America, does She really have a true sense of self?
If She did, would it be necessary to collect military nuclear
toys?
possumdag
- 09:18pm May 21, 2001 EST (#4126
of 4133) Possumdag@excite.com
Environments change. Does an individual/national sense of
self/identity have to continually reshape.
If there is a lag in developing appropriate responses to change,
does that leave a whole nation flapping in the shallows without a
sense of purpose or direction.
possumdag
- 09:24pm May 21, 2001 EST (#4127
of 4133) Possumdag@excite.com
Noted a film re Thanksgivings Day USA, in this the Director
focuses on the Turkey center piece. ThanksgivingDay must be an
day of IDENTIY for Americans. The story looked at how people from
different cultures and national backgrounds had fused into their
understanding of ThanksgivingDay.
Take away the Turkey table center piece, replace it with a white
dove of peace for the world, and work out how people from different
cultures and nations respond to this 'living' Dove.
rshowalter
- 09:33pm May 21, 2001 EST (#4128
of 4133) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I know the Russians and the Americans would respond differently.
But with some thought, both could respond beautifully.
. . .
There are "culture wars" going on in many countries -- certainly
in the US and Russia.
So there has to be more talking, within countries, because that's
needed for comfort -- and because that's needed for productive and
safe talking between countries.
The US needs to find reasons to go on, without having to make up
or manufacture new fears and new enemies.
As for Russia, she has plenty of big concerns, plenty of things
to worry about, without holding on to deep, wrenching fears that
have done so much to blight the lives of the Russian people - when
the reasons for these fears are either obsolete, or when these
reasons can, with moderate work and care, be put aside.
rshowalter
- 09:40pm May 21, 2001 EST (#4129
of 4133) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Before I respond again, I'm going to spend some time re-reading
an essay by C.P. Snow -- just to see if some hopes that made
sense to Snow in 1959, but fizzled then, might make sense now, and
might actually work.
The essay, with a reprise, is THE TWO CULTURES AND THE
SCIENTIFIC REVOLUTIONS and A SECOND LOOK
Snow thought the world, by 2000, would be a much safer and more
beautiful place. We're late.
But maybe better later than never.
....
I think Bill Casey, Alan Dulles, Eisenhower, and a lot of others
"present at the creation" would have thought so. And Solzhenetsyn,
too.
possumdag
- 10:20pm May 21, 2001 EST (#4130
of 4133) Possumdag@excite.com
!
rshowalter
- 10:45pm May 21, 2001 EST (#4131
of 4133) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Chain breakers: !
rshowalter
- 10:45pm May 21, 2001 EST (#4132
of 4133) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Learning to Stand: !
rshowalter
- 10:46pm May 21, 2001 EST (#4133
of 4133) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Secular Redemption: !
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