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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 05:57am May 17, 2001 EST (#4029
of 4038) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
On the question of lies, credibiltiy, the need for checking, and
how vulnerable US institutions are to ugly, negligent conduct.
'Sorry' Isn't Enough by BOB HERBERT http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/17/opinion/17HERB.html
"They got the wrong guys. Again. "
Checking is essential. The "culture of lying" in
journalism -- which THE NEW YORK TIMES itself is part of, for
all its manifest virtues, is based on a "moral judgement."
Debate about that judgement has involved me, in dialog with TIMES
employees, for more than three years . It is a judgement that Dawn
Riley and I want to CHANGE.
Now, when the need to check goes against
the comfort of someone in power, the rule in America is that
checking, except in rare and stereotyped cases, is to be
subordinated, which is to say, not done.
I take another view -- when the stakes really matter, checking
should be morally forcing.
Not the only value at play, -- but one which should
usually prevail when the stakes of broader interest are
demonstrably high.
Now, for reasons of social usage, it usually does not.
Our work in the Guardian thread "Paradigm shift, whose getting
there" http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/0
is largely about that. (search "morally forcing")
Today, in The Senate Plumbers by WILLIAM SAFIRE http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/17/opinion/17SAFI.html
argues for an important barrier to checking -- one I value, too. But
the issues he raises are not the only ones, and what he says bears
thinking about in a "culture of lying." However, the internet offers
other ways at getting at information now effectively hidden
buried in "open" detail.
rshowalter
- 06:03am May 17, 2001 EST (#4030
of 4038) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Lucent, Motorola and 8 More to Supply China Cellular
Growth by BLOOMBERG NEWS
BEIJING, May 15 — "Lucent Technologies,
Motorola, Nortel Networks and Ericsson are among 10 big Western
suppliers that have won nearly $1.5 billion in phone equipment
contracts from one of China's largest cellular providers, the
companies disclosed today.
" The Chinese operation, China United
Telecommunications, known as China Unicom, did not provide a
financial breakdown. But Lucent said its contract was the biggest,
at $420 million, and Ericsson valued its agreement at more than
$200 million. Motorola's contract totaled $407 million and
Nortel's $275 million, those companies said.
" China Unicom said the winners would supply
equipment for a nationwide wireless network, based on Qualcomm
technology, that would serve as many as 15.2 million subscribers
by 2002. The contracts had been delayed when the collision of a
Navy reconnaissance plane and a Chinese fighter jet over the Sea
of China early last month raised fears that Beijing might withhold
contracts from American companies. ....."
A hopeful note, in a complex world: The "old" Communist
China could not have made this decision - which is a good one for
openness and peace. This decision would be a terrible
decision for China if she were a militarily agressive nation, but
she is not.
rshowalter
- 06:04am May 17, 2001 EST (#4031
of 4038) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
City Lights, a Siren's Song for Birds, Are Dimmed by
PAM BELLUCK http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/16/national/16BIRD.html
An unanticipated problem, adressed in a logically incremental
way, in a mesh of ecological interactions with a Kline complexity
number in the trillions or more, that can only be adressed
incrementally, with feedback, and with unanticipated problems
requiring complex cooperation to be expected.
rshowalter
- 06:15am May 17, 2001 EST (#4032
of 4038) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
4024-4025: almarst-2001
5/17/01 12:34am are superb posts, and worth careful,
respectful attention. I'm taking some time thinking about them.
possumdag
- 06:37am May 17, 2001 EST (#4033
of 4038) Possumdag@excite.com
National States that compete and trade have to stay abreast of
technology in order not to loose aspects of competive advantage ...
that enable them to put selected, keenly priced, products on the
market.
IT is a part of modern commerce, they have to keep up with IT
developments, to minimise costs, and to hold their place for trade.
rshowalter
- 07:35am May 17, 2001 EST (#4034
of 4038) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Yes, and with IT, and the rate at which it is changing, the value
of specific military gimmicks , especially expensive, long
lead times ones, is getting more and more questionable.
For example, the US's "invulnerable triad" of nuclear forces is
now vulnerable, MAD should be MUD ("mutually unsure destruction) and
nuclear weapons are obsolete menaces that should be taken down --
for the same sorts of reasons that asbestos is removed, and for
other reasons, too.
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