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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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manjumicha2001
- 05:45pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11859
of 11881)
Well, you have fully convinced me that NK desperately needs
better TV programing....:-). Surely beer and coke commercials will
go a long way toward that, that is if they got beer and coke
companies to advertise.
Anyway since you seem to have real aptitude in picking relevant
NYT articles from the achives, why not look for one dealing with the
suspected open-air test explosions of nuclear trigerring devices in
1998. The funny part is that they conducted such tests in broad
daylight in full view of US satellite. I guess either NKs are really
dumb or they want US to see certain aspect of their activities?
Again, you show another example of the faith-like dogma that
"since we can see "everything" over there with our satellites, we
must know what they are doing." I wonder what NSC guys were watching
before they saw the solid third stage booster being seperated in
1998. It is funny that we saw reports about NK tepodong ICBMs in
1996 but such facts didn't register with the "western authorities"
until 1998. And even then, its threat was continuously downplayed
through the media spin while providing enough ammo for MD crowd in
their "confidential briefings."
manjumicha2001
- 05:52pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11860
of 11881)
Just curious, was there another faith/dogma that I detected? i.e.
Lack of decent TV programing plus ridiculous 50s style gross
propaganda on a authomatic flight equals lack of NK sophistication
on military hardware?
manjumicha2001
- 05:54pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11861
of 11881)
Btw, just because NK did not shoot off missles once every week
over Japan doesn't mean they are not "testing" their missles, no?
manjumicha2001
- 05:57pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11862
of 11881)
So many questions, so little time. . .
rshow55
- 06:17pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11863
of 11881)
1) The N. Koreans can make fission bombs - - as many as they have
fissionable material for. Wish it was harder, but it isn't. Never
said that N. Korea couldn't make nuclear weapons. The sad fact is
that H-bombs aren't all that hard either, anymore. There are
good reasons to want to very much limit weapons of mass
destruction -- and if we were willing to significantly limit our
own, we'd have an easier time limiting those of others.
2) -- Building effective missiles is harder than building nukes.
And there are major correllations between a nation's
technical competence in different areas. At the levels that matter
for missile technology, I would say that " Lack of decent
TV programing plus ridiculous 50s style gross propaganda on a
authomatic flight" does imply a definite "lack of NK
sophistication on military hardware."
3) How much testing has anyone discussed ? The reporting I've
seen indicates that the N. Koreans have pretty minimal capabilities.
The N. Koreans have real troubles -- they have trouble feeding
their people, and keeping them warm -- and depending on accounting,
they have something less than 1/10 - maybe less than 1/20th - the
per capita income of the South Koreans. With that much of a
"behavioral deficit" - I doubt that they can be too impressive as
missile designers or fabricators.
almarst-2001
- 07:11pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11864
of 11881)
On N.K.
Troubles due to "behavioral deficit"?
1. Isn't it true that after WWII, the Japan's reparations went
only to S.K?
2. Isn't it true that US-Korean war affected the N.K. much more
then the South?
3. Isn't it true that S.K. benefitted from direct and indirect US
capital investments, investment's guarantees and trade while N.K.
suffered under strict economical embargo and isolation? Wasn't it
pushed to the corner economically?
4. Isn't it true that N.K. could feel treatened by the massive US
presence in the South? Does anyone think that N.K. may have a
legitimate reson to believe it needs a credible deterrance against a
superpower it remains officially at war?
5. What would guarantee the N.K. defence if US decides to attack
it?
6. Why should the US be more concerned about N.K. WMD then the
N.K. about the US thousend's times greater arsenal of WMD?
7. What would be ascenario when N.K. commits a suicidal act of
attacking the US, other then if the US attacks the N.K.?
almarst-2001
- 07:11pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11865
of 11881)
Majority of Muslims polled view U.S. unfavorably - http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/26/gallup.muslims/index.html
rshow55
- 07:44pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11866
of 11881)
almarst-2001
2/26/02 7:11pm . . . and the US has to care. There is an
opportunity here, for both trade and peacemaking, for other nations
-- and taking advantage of that opportunity would make the whole
world safer.
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