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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 04:26pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11855
of 11863)
Lost chances:
March 7, 2001 South Korean President and Bush at Odds on North
Korea By DAVID E. SANGER http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/07/world/07CND-KOREA.html
March 6, 2001 How Politics Sank Accord on Missiles With North
Korea By MICHAEL R. GORDON http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/06/world/06MISS.html
"As the Clinton administration's senior policy
coordinator on North Korea, Ms. Sherman was prepared to fly to
Pyongyang on a moment's notice. Her task there would be to clear
away the final barriers to an accord that would neutralize the
North Korean missile threat, which has been a central
justification for the hotly debated American national missile
defense project.
In my view, the N. Korean threat has been very much exaggerated,
to provide an excuse for a bloated, unworkable MD program.
manjumicha2001
- 04:42pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11856
of 11863)
I guess you are entitled to your opinion re: NK capabilities.
Hopefully we will never have to find out who is right.
Only other comment I would like to make in that department is
that many western analysts (as well as arm-chair commentors)
approach NK issues constrained by the the pre-suppositions that are
taken as truths. I think the best example of that would be your and
others' almost faith-like dogma that "untested missles are not
capabilities."
Anyway, no point keep beating on the dead horse.
For your proposition that we got to negotiate with NK. Too bad
Clinton didn't finish the job. I think the the hawks in charge of
pentagon has vetoed that idea long time ago. Big mistake I think.
Probably Rumsfeld and Wolforwitz got too focused on Israeli needs to
do something about it?
rshow55
- 04:55pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11857
of 11863)
Facts matter. Discourse and decision depend on them.
Russia is being offered a place for "discourse" in some high
status NATO meetings-- though without veto power. If it were morally
forcing to get questions of consequential fact checked to closure --
that might be an important postion indeed.
NATO Offers Russia New Role, but Without Any Veto By
STEVEN ERLANGER http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/26/international/europe/26NATO.html
I feel that all the powers in NATO who care about stability
and peace should care for the truth, and insist on it when it
mattered for decision. A great deal could improve, in a natural,
step by step way, if they did.
The case of missile defense -- as a technical matter, where key
issues are clear, and involve very well known physics - is important
here -- both because so much European diplomacy has hinged on it,
and because it offers remarkably clear examples where "the inability
to apologize" and "the inability to check" have produced dangerous
and probably corrupt absurdities - - where truth would be both more
comfortable, and much safer for all whose motives could stand the
light of day.
Human interactions that are stable and livable have to fit rules
that we all hold in common. To fit these rules, people have to be
expected to mean what they say -- and since people are imperfect,
and consequences matter - facts that are important have to be
discussable, and checkable -- to closure.
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs by William G. Huitt Image:
http://chiron.valdosta.edu/whuitt/col/regsys/maslow.gif
Essay: http://chiron.valdosta.edu/whuitt/col/regsys/maslow.html
also listed, with comments, in rshowalter
9/24/01 11:05am
Berle's Laws of Power from Power by Adolf A. Berle . . .
1969 ... Harcourt, Brace and World, N.Y. set out in MD948 rshowalter
3/12/01 10:02am ... MD1066 rshowalter
3/16/01 5:36am
MD11394-11387 rshow55
2/9/02 9:33am
rshow55
- 05:03pm Feb 26, 2002 EST (#11858
of 11863)
manjumicha2001
2/26/02 4:42pm
"I guess you are entitled to your opinion re: NK
capabilities.
"Hopefully we will never have to find out who is
right."
Certainly people need to know the right answers -- and it is
worth some work to find them.
With satellite cameras, we should be able to find out a LOT. Have
to know a lot now.
I wonder how many technical people can be found who doubt the
"dogma" that "untested missile capabilities are not capabilities."
And N. Korea is NOT a supersophisticated nation .. NORTH
KOREA, TV NATION http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/26/opinion/26WORK.html
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