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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 06:16pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11822
of 11835)
Yup. Absolutely necessary -- when I've forgotten, I've gotten
into messes.
lchic
- 06:20pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11823
of 11835)
Orwell's BIG BROTHER was just a tv broadcaster type - the
cameras did the watching ... whereas WalkerB's Big Brother is into
Cable ... raises the point ... does Congress ever get to look at
just how much money is allocated and used for harassing the
common truthful citizen?
lchic
- 06:24pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11824
of 11835)
Showalter .. you were saying ... rshow55
2/25/02 5:57pm
rshow55
2/25/02 6:05pm
rshow55
- 06:28pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11825
of 11835)
I'm not sure that Congress gets a straight story on such things -
- but part of the reason is that, from the early days of the Cold
War -- already in Truman's time -- Congressional people were
discouraged to ask questions -- even very basic ones -- and often
cooperated, because it was not only safer, but easier.
Problem is, when a government program isn't carefully accounted -
- and doesn't have people asking questions -- and goes on a long
time - - a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse can happen.
And there can be no limit to growth.
I wonder how many Americans actually know what our policies are
-- or know that the US military budget now exceeds that of the next
12 largest military nations combined ?
The American people have, consciously or not, "delegated"
military affairs, including some of the most important -- in ways
that are even beyond control of the President and the Congress --
combined with a lot of other problems, with military expenditure as
"pork."
If we could raise the discourse about military
expenditures to the level usually applied to "pork" -- we'd be at a
higher level, and things would be safer.
rshow55
- 06:43pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11826
of 11835)
lchic
2/25/02 6:24pm facts can be CHECKED . And the facts about how
far-fetched our MD programs are can be explained, clearly, in the
open literature. The patterns needed have been dealt with on this
thread a number of times.
If world leaders (who are now quite willing to talk about their
displeasure to journalists) actually wanted key things checked, and
set out so that questions of fact were clear, it would happen. If
they asked for it, it would happen.
IMHO, getting the organization for the checking, and the private
funding for it, would be pretty straightforward if world leaders
actually wanted to get the clarifications done. A clear request from
Putin and the leader of one major NATO country would, I believe,
suffice.
I wouldn't be surprised if I even knew some of the people who
might want to be involved with that - - people with connections and
credentials.
We're in a situation that is unstable - but some of the
instabilities are hopeful.
Key questions, clearly asked, would elicit answers. Right
answers, known to all concerned, would make for adjustments much
better than the messes we have now.
rshow55
- 07:15pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11827
of 11835)
MD11634 rshow55
2/19/02 2:48pm ... MD11635 rshow55
2/19/02 4:29pm
almarst-2001
- 08:49pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11828
of 11835)
A quite interesting oppinion. In a way it resonates with my own
view that US foreign policy today can be understood by pararhrasing
the old French phrase: "Shershe le OIL";)
THE EMERGENCE OF THE FASCIST AMERICAN THEOCRATIC STATE - http://english.pravda.ru/columnists/2002/02/18/26452.html
rshow55
- 09:00pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11829
of 11835)
Quite interesting. Worth reading. Worth considering. But all the
same, if you read American history -- Americans often FIX PROBLEMS.
We live in a world where questions can be asked.
They need to be.
The United States has an enormous number of good things about it
-- and very few of the people in America -- whether they voted for
Bush or not, would be for a "Fascist-theocratic state."
Questions need to be asked. They should be asked. If questions
were asked by influentials, a lot of effective action might occur.
(Russia could stand to answer some questions, too.)
rshow55
- 09:26pm Feb 25, 2002 EST (#11830
of 11835)
When we are paying attention, there is a great deal of agreement
on what is important.
MD11614 rshow55
2/18/02 9:33pm ... MD11502 rshow55
2/12/02 11:17am
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