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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 07:59pm Feb 20, 2002 EST (#11667
of 11701)
MD6980 rshowalter
7/12/01 12:25pm includes many careful postings, only a few of
them mine, and it argues that the nation states of N. Korea, Iran,
and Iraq are not "undeterrable" in the sense the Bush administration
thinks.
It seems to me that if there are powers in the world, in
possession of weapons of mass destruction, who are not now
deterrable, they have to be restrained , in the interest of
all, in ways that work. That would apply to Al Queda .
Would it not also apply to the United States? Doesn't the
United States have to be restrained, too, by the rule of law, or by
other means? Why shouldn't other nations feel that she should be?
To find solutions, that are workable, it seems to be that key
challenges are to establish some key things about what has happened,
how the Cold War occurred, and to establish some technical facts.
Facts that everyone can see, and agree on, however they happen to
feel about them.
If we had this common knowledge, could we solve our problems,
well enough to meet our reasonable security needs?
It seems to me that we could. But some interested parties might
have to be forced to face facts.
Would this be possible? Perhaps not, but sometimes facts are hard
to evade, when people are watching, and questioning cannot be closed
off.
The real security needs of the United States would have to
be well served, and the American people would have to understand
that their security needs were being well served, and their
interests were being well met, for this to be possible.
If the facts involved were clear, it seems to me that this
should be completely possible, and in the interests of all
concerned. Moral indignation might help in a few spots. But usually,
it wouldn't.
rshow55
- 08:00pm Feb 20, 2002 EST (#11668
of 11701)
Almarst , you have some clear concerns, expressed in almarst-2001
2/19/02 2:08pm , and I think you're right to be concerned. But
if you were an American politician, what would you suggest? Would
you know what to suggest? Would you know how to communicate with US
politicians, opinion leaders, and voters? Do you think Putin would
know? These are interesting questions, I think.
America has to have satisfactory answers to her security
needs, including the needs connected to missile defense. Asking "how
do you think other nations feel?" may provide interesting context --
but America needs satisfactory answers. You aren't against that, are
you?
almarst-2001
- 08:40pm Feb 20, 2002 EST (#11669
of 11701)
"America needs satisfactory answers"
Yes.
But lets first define the questions.
1. What are the American interests abroad which may affect the
interests of other nations. And how vital those interests are
respectivly? How those interests are defined, by whom and for whoes
benefits?
2. Who are American enemies and why. Is there any realistic
options for compromise or this is a zero-sum game?
3. What are their realistic options in harming the American
interests short of suicidal attack. What if at all is there a chance
for such suicidal attack?
If we exclude the missionic idea of converting all the nations
into mini-US-like in all respects (which is not only unrealistic
but, in my view, hardly desirable), the unswers should be
stright-forward and honest.
In trully democratic and free societies those questions should be
raised by a media and debated widely. Supplemented by a honest and
sufficient information about culture, traditions, history and the
projection of the real life of the average citizens in all affected
countries. At least the honest attempt in this direction must be
made. The alternative points of every view must be actively seeked
and presented for the debate - just like in any honest judicial
court. The foreign assessement of the US actions must be actively
seeked and honestly presented. The panel(s) of critics acceptable to
all involved sides must be invited and encoureged for intellectual
debate. All arguments presented as facts must be validated by joint
or independent commisions and the media.
Such a process may look quite messy and long but, if successful
in preventing the misunderstanding, mistrust and war, could be worth
the effort.
lchic
- 08:42pm Feb 20, 2002 EST (#11670
of 11701)
WAR ... an open sore keep it running festering
look for Rogues evil toads excuses for
military weapons d o l l a r C H U R N
lchic
- 08:45pm Feb 20, 2002 EST (#11671
of 11701)
The end game with 'empires' has most often been 'trade'.
Unfortunately the emphasis on 'military' trades doesn't help create
a 'peaceful' world.
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