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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
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gisterme
- 02:57am Feb 8, 2002 EST (#11348
of 11350)
mazza9
2/7/02 9:55pm
"...To what end? That part of the peninsula would glow for
10,000 years!..."
Ask yourself why the millions of innocent people who live there
should die, just because their leader, one who essentialy rules them
at gunpoint, enables an atrocity by proxy against us?
Deterrance can only work where leadership cares what happens to
its people. The leadership in N. Korea and Iraq are already causing
their people to be starved. Saddam Hussein could end the UN
sanctions on Iraq by simply complying with the UN resolutions that
his government agreed to. Kim Jong Il could mitigate his people's
suffering by giving up his quest for WMD and long-range delivery
systems. What does he need them for?
Judging by their actions, those men place their personal pride
and ambition above the well being of their people. Do you think they
really care if millions of innocent die? I don't. It's hard for us
to understand that mindset, but we must.
Robert is asking why not just preempt the problem? Why not just
go there and do what's necessary to eliminate the treat posed by
these "rogue" nations and their terrorist proxies?
The problem with doing that is that most of the folks that would
be hurt if we did are innocent. Guys like Saddam understand and
exploit our reluctance to do harm to the innocent. In that ilk's
veiw, that's our Achillies heel. In my view, that's our strength. We
care more about their people than they do; but that poses a tough
problem for us. Consider that the entire population of Iraq are
essentially hostages. Should we just wipe out the good along with
the bad? Does the garden have so many weeds that they can't be
removed without destroying the vegetables and flowers too?
What solution to that problem would you suggest, Lou? Got any
ideas?
lchic
- 05:29am Feb 8, 2002 EST (#11349
of 11350)
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rshow55
- 10:44am Feb 8, 2002 EST (#11350
of 11350)
Just got back to the board -- I had some other things to do. Will
study calculations carefully -- thanks for them.
On preemption, gisterme said, just above:
"Robert is asking why not just preempt the
problem? Why not just go there and do what's necessary to
eliminate the treat posed by these "rogue" nations and their
terrorist proxies?"
That's still a good question. If the objective is to eliminate
missiles - - it could probably be done with pretty minimal
carnage. Some, of course, but that's not necessarily intolerable. I,
like a lot of other people, believe in scorekeeping.
Preemption, as a general family of approaches, is far less
problematic than BMD - for a number of reasons, first among them,
that it can actually be made to work. On scorekeeping, I'm in
general agreement with what was said in A
Merciful War by NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
which ends with this:
"Military intervention, even if it means lost
innocent lives on both sides, can serve the most humanitarian of
goals."
BUT THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT IS DONE, AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. YOU
HAVE TO KEEP SCORE. And figure out something sensible.
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