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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 06:24am Oct 1, 2001 EST (#10046
of 10056) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
It seems to me that the facts set out by Reeves here are
important to know, if the world is to avoid terrible costs or
dangers, or even the endo of us all. Almarst , the points
made here need to be considered - - because correcting some basic
problems isnt easy. If certain ideas, that are based on verifiable
truth and simple good judgement, were understood by Americans as a
nation, the world could be much, much better and safer. To get that
understanding may take intervention from the outside, as well as
work and care among Americans, and the force of the
intervention needs to be understood.
Solving the problems of missile defense, and related problems,
would be well within our means if some basic blindnesses among
Americans could be, if not removed, at least decently disciplined.
Americans need to
be WORTHY of the GOOD THINGS people associate with this flag - - not
just wave it. . . . Our allies, and people all over the world,
should be able to expect that. And able to check that.
Patriotism Calls Out the Censor by RICHARD REEVES http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/01/opinion/01REEV.html
" In the first Gallup poll published after the
disastrous invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs in April 1961,
President John F. Kennedy's approval rating jumped 10 points to 83
percent. The commander in chief looked at the numbers — the
disapproval was only 5 percent — and said, "The worse I do,
the more popular I get."
" Not exactly. But as President Bush learned
when his approval rating touched 90 percent last week, Americans
rally round the flag when it begins to dip. We may think of
ourselves as being fiercely independent as individuals, but
history comes down on the side of team spirit when the U.S.A.
takes the field in crisis.
" In other places, when things go wrong, ministers
resign and directors are fired. In Washington, after what has to
be considered a colossal intelligence failure, the president went
over to the Central Intelligence Agency to tell the folks there
that he appreciates the great job they're doing. Kennedy did, too,
in public, but then moved people around a few months after the
Cuban fiasco, which was a C.I.A. operation from beginning to end.
" It has always been that way. After watching
the Independence Day parade in Albany on July 4, 1831, Alexis de
Tocqueville, taking notes for "Democracy in America," wrote:
"Nothing is more annoying in the ordinary intercourse of life
than this irritable patriotism of the Americans. A foreigner will
gladly agree to praise much in their country, but he would like to
be allowed to criticize something, and that he is absolutely
refused."
" Actually the rule does not apply only to
foreigners. One of the most popular men in the country's history,
William Jennings Bryan, paid the price. The Great Commoner, three
times the Democratic candidate for president, resigned as
President Woodrow Wilson's secretary of state in June 1915 because
he believed the president was secretly planning to take us into
the Great War raging in Europe. He began a speaking tour around
the country to promote peace and neutralism. But he didn't finish
it — jeers, curses and tomatoes drove him from the national
stage.
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rshowalter
- 06:24am Oct 1, 2001 EST (#10047
of 10056) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
" You also don't have to be that big a man to
lose your job — or be threatened by the White House if you don't
shut up. Early casualties this time include Dan Guthrie, a
columnist for The Daily Courier of Grants Pass, Ore., who accused
President Bush and some of his advisers of "hiding in a Nebraska
hole" immediately after the World Trade Center toppled and the
Pentagon was bombed on Sept. 11. The Texas City Sun, in the
president's home state, ran a front-page apology for an opinion by
an employee. The offending opinion was that of the city editor,
Tom Gutting, who wrote a column under the headline "Bush Has
Failed to Lead U.S."
" Even comedians are not exempt from the
patriotism monitors. Bill Maher, the host of "Politically
Incorrect," lived up to his late-night talk show's title two weeks
ago by saying, "We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles
from 2,000 miles away." Last Wednesday, Ari Fleischer, the White
House spokesman, attacked Mr. Maher and warned others, saying,
"Americans . . . need to watch what they say, watch what they do,
and . . . this is not a time for remarks like that; there never
is."
" None of this is really new. We are a
self-created nation driven to defend our own masterwork. Being an
American is not a matter of geography or bloodlines. America is a
matter of ideas, the rejection of an Old World of standards we
thought corrupt. De Tocqueville, a visitor from that Old World,
spotted that, too, writing in his diary: "For fifty years
the inhabitants of the United States have been repeatedly and
constantly told that they are the only religious, enlightened, and
free people. They . . . have an immensely high opinion of
themselves and are not far from believing that they form a species
apart from the rest of the human race."
Richard Reeves is author, most recently, of "President Nixon:
Alone in the White House."
. . . .
the rest of the world is not without persuasive and practical
power, and some of it may need to be used to temper this typically
American insanity which, under current conditions, could destroy
more than one would want to imagine, or kill us all.
rshowalter
- 06:29am Oct 1, 2001 EST (#10048
of 10056) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
gisterme
10/1/01 5:46am . . . . that is surprisingly dishonest discourse,
even coming from you. Could you possibly believe what you're saying?
If you do, you're dangerously out of balance. Being a "nay-sayer"
with respect to a fools errand is a service. I hope other people
read what you wrote, and think carefully about it. I'll take a
little while responding.
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