Links to Gisterme on the NYT Missile Defense board.
Gisterme was the NYT MD thread's "Bush administration stand-in" and
Almarst - the thread's "Putin stand-in".
Almarst posted on the MD thread about 2,440 times. Gisterme posted
about 1,270 times.
If journalists wanted to find out who gisterme is - they could find
that answer, or a great deal about it. Whatever the real story is - I
think it would interest many, many readers. With journalistic effort, I
think the identity or connections gisterme has could be understood to high
journalistic standards. The work by gisterme is so extensive, and casts so
much light on gisterme's thinking, that I believe that journalistic
attention to who gisterme is would be justified, and in the public
interest.
I've long believed that gisterme was very closely connected to George
W. Bush - and that many of the postings probably are by Bush himself. The
circumstantial case for close connection seems overwhelming - and the case
that gisterme is Bush is strong too. I'm prepared to explain why I
think so, with many more references and connections - to any named
journalist, who is talking to me on the record, who asks.
Posts by Gisterme are set out and posted separately at http://www.mrshowalter.net/PostsBy_Gisterme.htm
- which is a 32 page list of links - most with the first words of the link
set out. The links in http://www.mrshowalter.net/PostsBy_Gisterme.htm no
longer work - except for those with access to the NYT archive - but all
correspond to working links in the list below.
More on the relationship of gisterme and almarst is set out at http://www.mrshowalter.net/Sequential.htm
Gisterme said many interesting things - I select some below - including
a very well written response-story "The Talking Dog" written by gisterme
or a staffer - and a conversation on interdiction - and on our previous
discussion - that was serious, and involves another interesting MD poster
- manjumicha .
The full list of pages where gisterme posted more than 1200
times over a three year period follows.
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gisterme
- 10:05pm Jan 17, 2003 EST (#
7768 of 7786) http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_new_7000s/7765.htm
Here's a story that's just as irrelevant as anything else posted
here...
"The Talking Dog"
A guy sees a sign in front of a house: "Talking Dog for Sale." He rings
the bell and the owner tells him the dog is in the backyard. The guy goes
into the backyard and sees a black mutt just sitting there.
"You talk?" he asks.
"Yep," the mutt replies.
"So, what's your story?"
The mutt looks up and says, "Well, I discovered this gift pretty young
and I wanted to help the government, so I told the CIA about my gift, and
in no time they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms
with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be
eavesdropping. I was one of their most valuable spies eight years running.
The jetting around really tired me out, and I knew I wasn't getting any
younger and I wanted to settle down. So I signed up for a job at the
airport to do some undercover security work, mostly wandering near
suspicious characters and listening in. I uncovered some incredible
dealings there and was awarded a batch of medals. Had a wife, a mess of
puppies, and now I'm just retired."
The guy is amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for
the dog.
The owner says, "Ten dollars."
The guy says, "This dog is amazing. Why on earth are you selling him so
cheap?"
The owner replies, "He's such a liar. He didn't do any of that stuff."
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On interdiction - standards, and possible "inside information".
gisterme
- 11:19pm Oct 16, 2002 EST (#
4956 of 4974) http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md4000s/md4857.htm
rshow55
10/16/02 8:11pm
"...Not
everybody thinks the stakes are jokes - or dismisses substance so
easily..."
Hmmm.
Gee Robert, I thought you were the one that thinks interdiction
before the fact was the best way to prevent disaster. After all, just a
day or two ago you were boasting that you have been arguing for of
interdiction for some time now. Let's see...
rshow55
10/14/02 8:03pm
I
believe that's the post where you said:
"...Me,
I've been arguing for interdiction - - when it matters enough - since
September 25, 2000..."
Are
you waffeling again? Or is it that you're just trying to keep at least one
foot on each side of the ring so you can say "I told you so" no matter
which way things may go?
I
wouldn't bother with this thread if I didn't think the "stakes" (your
word) are a joke. Who would? Many lives are at stake here, perhaps
including yours and mine. Those are high enough stakes for me.
gisterme
- 11:36pm Oct 16, 2002 EST (#
4957 of 4974)
rshow55
10/16/02 8:11pm
"...Not
everybody thinks the stakes are jokes - or dismisses substance so
easily..."
Hmmm.
Gee Robert, I thought you were the one that thinks interdiction
before the fact was the best way to prevent disaster. After all, just a
day or two ago you were boasting that you have been arguing for of
interdiction for some time now. Let's see...
rshow55
10/14/02 8:03pm
I
believe that's the post where you said:
"...Me,
I've been arguing for interdiction - - when it matters enough - since
September 25, 2000..."
Are
you waffeling again, Robert? Or is it that you're just trying to keep at
least one foot on each side of the ring so you can say "I told you so" no
matter which way things may go? If so, just give it up now. That can only
work on people with very short memories.
I
wouldn't bother with this thread if I didn't think the "stakes" (your
word) are a joke. Who would? Many lives are at stake here, perhaps
including yours and mine. Those are high enough stakes for me.
Oh,
by the way, are you shocked that North Korea has admitted to having a
secret nuclear weapons program? Would it also shock you to think they'd
sell that technology to the highest bidder like they do their rocket
boosters? No doubt it would. After all...why would those NK leaders
lie for all that time and then finally 'fess up? Gotta wonder. They
must realize that their jig's up and it's time to dance or get off the
stage. Can you think of any other reason they would admit to their lies
just now?
gisterme
- 11:40pm Oct 16, 2002 EST (#
4958 of 4974)
bbbuck
10/16/02 5:33pm
"...I
just thought it was a good taunt..."
That
was not really intended to be a taunt, bbbuck. I just wanted to let
commondata know that I know where he's coming from without being too rude.
manjumicha
- 11:51pm Oct 16, 2002 EST (#
4959 of 4974)
Wow,
mazza, don't tell me you are suprised by NK news? Hate to say it..but I
told you so.
The
fact is, NK has had an uranium enrichment program that doesn't require
nuclear reactors for decades and they have plenty of raw uranium in their
mines...funny thing is they got not much else as way of natural resources.
What a cruel joke. The fact of the matter is probably no one knows how
many bombs and deliverable ICBMs they have deployed....and they don;t seem
too worried about NMD either, including navy's aegis system which they
think are sitting ducks against their sunburn-type cruise missiles tipped
with either conventional or tactical nukes.
There
is a reason Japan wants to break out of Bush' tough guy club after all re:
NK.....
manjumicha
- 11:56pm Oct 16, 2002 EST (#
4960 of 4974)
It
has been reported (except in the US) that NK basically told Kelly and Bush
to stuff it up their (fill in the blank). And that they are fully ready
for nuclear exchange with US in the event of a preemtive nuclear strike by
US.
Of
course, US media will never report it the way it actually
happened.....otherwise mazzas of US will all go into mass depression and
despair and DOD will have to "cook up" 10 more "successful" NMD tests at
$100 million per pop for a proper national therapy session.
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I've long believed that gisterme was either George W. Bush, or
very near him - because of his postings - and because of the reponse
others had to his postings - which led me to think that they
thought gisterme an important personnage. Powerful not only because of
the power of his disembodied words - but also because of his position.
This posting http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_new_13000s/13703.htm
occurred just before the first posting in many years by cantabb and
was the first of many many posting by cantabb thereafter. http://www.mrshowalter.net/Cantabb_Srch_to10_4.htm
http://www.mrshowalter.net/Cantabb_Srch_to10_4.htm
Cantabb's posting began a change of pattern for the MD board for the next
4000 postings, till it was shut down.
gisterme
- 07:41pm Sep 17, 2003 EST (#
13704 of 13824)
Fred -
"...What gives?..."
I suppose my patience is wearing down a bit after a few years of the
same thing over and over and over and...
I'm not intending to be intentionally spiteful. If something I have
said comes across that way then I'm sorry for that. However, I don't think
I've said anything that's untrue. If you think I have, please point it
out.
If I seem a little miffed, I am. That's because Robert has recently
decided to attribute points of view and opinions to me that are absolutely
false and that do not reflect either what I think or what I've said in any
way. In fact, he's putting words that he's fabricated in my
mouth to serve his own agenda whatever that may be. For me that's a step
beyond simply claiming I'm somebody I'm not.
You're certainly welcome to pat him on the back for that if you like,
Fred. However, you might not be so willing to do so if he were doing that
to you.
I've got to admit that a few years of dealing with Robert's
disingenuousness may have caused me to lean in the direction of being a
bit shagnasty towards him. I find that I just don't have any more cheeks
to turn. So, I think you're right and Will's right and my own instincts
are right to say this isn't worth the trouble. I'll follow Lou's advice
and put Robert on my ignore list.
Maybe we really can discuss missile defense again if anything
new comes up.
Robert, I wish you well. Caio.
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